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student -

I recently became aware of the genre of the Chinese short short story,

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/20...24_168556.html

and

http://www.las.iastate.edu/newnews/mu0823.shtml

Such stories, typically about 1500 characters long, are apparently quite popular now.

Does anyone have favorites of this genre?



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student -

Here is a very short example,


Quote:

“书法家” 司玉笙

书法比赛会上，人们围住前来观看的高局长，请他留字。
“写什么呢?”高局长笑眯眯地提起笔，歪着头问。
“写什么都行。写局长最得心应手的好字吧。”
“那我就献丑了。”高局长沉吟片刻，轻抖手腕落下笔去。立刻，两个劲秀�
��大字从笔端跳到宣纸上：“同意”。
人群里发出啧啧的惊叹声。有人大声嚷道：“请再写几个!”
高局长循声望去，面露难色地说：
“不写了吧——能写好的就数这两个字……”
(选自《世界华文微型小说大成》)












frankcupid -

it makes me think of a joke
局长有三个字写的最好 就是“不同意” 因为每天都要批示很多文件
看完之后写上“同意”或者“不同意” 久而久之 这三个字越写越漂亮
一次日本举办的书法家交流会 大家都推荐这位局长参加 于是他就去了
会上人们都听说这位局长有一笔漂亮的书法 可谁也没见过
结果有人提议他现场写一副字 局长很为难 但又不好推辞 于是急中生智
写了一首古体诗 内容是说日语里面有很多汉字 但意思又不一样

同字不同意,
同意不同字。
字同意不同,
意同字不同。

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I was invited to dinner by an eminent, elderly chinese gentleman and his wife. The dinner was
excellent, and I would like to send him a brief thank you note in Chinese. I realize that I do not
know the proper format, honorifics, etc. for such a note. Any help would be appreciated!



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hanshoff22 -

I heard this word 土炮 (tu3pao4) on a Chinese "Idol" program.

the sentence from the subtitles was:
我其實在講土炮應該是講你

I looked it up in both Wenlin and MDBG and didn't find it

so I guess it's slang?

what does it mean?



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muyongshi -

http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/29401532.html?si=2

This may or may not have anything to do with your question. Not sure the context of the TV program
so can't say for sure... But it seems close as it has to do with performing...










skylee -

土炮 in cantonese can mean very strong local alcohol.

But this may also be helpful -> http://baike.baidu.com/view/55842.htm



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原指没有过滤嘴的香烟，后来泛指一些没见识，没见过什么世面的人。














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monto -

火星文：
A set of jargons Chinese youngsters use on the net, a mixture of letters, numbers, symbols, and
characters or parts of characters of Chinese, Japanese and Korean.



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roddy -

I came across that one recently too, in 炙手可热.










atitarev -

I have to say this.

Perhaps you know the "Chinese" soup called 罗宋汤, beetroot and cabbage are some of the main
ingredients. It sounds like [Luósòng tāng], which is "Russian soup" or "borshch".

The normal word for Russia is 俄罗斯 [Éluósī] but in this particular case, it's a
transliteration from the English (音译) "Russian". The Russian words for Russian and Russia are
quite different: русский (russky) ("u" as in "put", not "but"!), Россия (Rossiya).

There is a Chinese word borrowed from Russian: хлеб (khleb or khlyeb) -> 列巴 (lièbā) -
"bread". It's used in Harbin, Dalian and some other North-Eastern Chinese cities.










rob07 -

佞人 (ning4ren2), sycophant.










rob07 -

I like this one - 丘八 qiu1ba1, soldier. Individually the characters mean "hillock" and "eight",
but together they mean soldier because together they look like 兵.










imron -

It's worth noting though that this is a derogatory term for solider.










Lu -

Here they say 阿兵哥 a1bing1ge1 for soldier (not derogatory as far as I can tell).

New word I came across yesterday: what is 九兆萬 (also written 九萬兆)? I started counting
zeroes, but it does not mean 90 quadrillion. No, some journalist was too creative, and coined this
word for Ma Yingjiu, his vice-president Xiao Wanchang, and his premier Liu Zhaoxuan.










roddy -

荷尔蒙, héěrméng, loan word for hormone, which is more often 激素










rob07 -

笄之年 (ji1 zhi1 nian2) - an old term for the time at which a girl comes of age. The 笄 was a
type of hairpin which was used to tie up an adult woman's hair and started to be used at the
earlier of her turning 15 or getting engaged to be married.










randall_flagg -

so what is the difference between 炙 and 燔 both mentioned in this thread.

鱼饵 yu2er3, fishing bait (the stuff you put on the hook)












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roddy -

I've made a few changes to try and stop this happening - had the hosting company up the number of
connections to the database we have, and also banned a few of the less friendly search engine
indexers (the kind that think it's amusing to download the entire site in five minutes and then
send us one visitor per year by way of a thank you).

I'm also going to be keeping a closer eye on the error reports now, but if you have any issues do
let me know - squeaky wheels get the oil, after all.



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muyongshi -

Great! So what are these search engines?? I think I want to try one out (j/k)










roddy -

Myriam, first, please stop making posts and then deleting them. Secondly, the forum is working
perfectly.










gato -

"Database Error" just now.










roddy -

Consider yourself honored - we're averaging 20 a day on over 200,000 (edit: Have no idea where I
got that number from. Nearer 40,000 including bots) page views, not everyone is lucky enough to
see one . . .










muyongshi -

So I get most of the luck huh???










roddy -

Yep.

Number of database errors has dropped significantly since I made the changes mentioned above - I
haven't seen a single one. I get emailed reports, we're averaging 20 a day, all due to server
restarts. I do see timeouts now and then, but I seem to get those on a number of websites,
particularly international ones and I wouldn't be too worried unless I was getting consistent
reports from people closer to the server - ie, the US or UK (server is in Manchester).










roddy -

Banned a few more IP ranges after a couple of hiccups this evening . . .










muyongshi -

I was wondering if more changes were coming after I got those hiccups...thanks roddy!










roddy -

Do flag them up when you notice them, at least if it lasts more than a minute or two - although I
do get emails every time there's an error they get filtered into a 'don't need to read' folder and
I'm not necessarily checking that every day.

That said, when you do get a database error message, don't sit there pressing F5 - that ain't
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Quote:

The election is today, so we'll soon know if I lied in the thread title.

Looks like you called it right. Big swing to Labor by the looks of things, and John Howard may
even lose his seat of Bennelong!



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rob07 -

Yes, Howard has just conceded. Rudd is PM.










md1101 -

So I won't have to move to China for good after all. Praise the heavens










atitarev -

Congratulations to all who voted for Labour. We won!










muyongshi -

I like how there is a distinctly asian face in behind Rudd. Very appropriate for this discussion.










Josh2007 -

Newsflash: 25 November 2027

President Kevin Rudd of the Republic of Australia addressed his nation in Mandarin--the official
language of the Southern Continent for 10 years now since the Constitutional Reforms--and
officially communicated the result of the recent referendum. Australia, 澳洲省 as it is to be
known, will become the 32nd province of the People's Republic of China from January 1st 2028.
President Rudd said the move made sense given the economic rise of Asia and the demographic
changes in Australia, which particularly accelerated following his election as prime minister 20
years ago. The abolition of the AUS$ in 2025 and the adoption of the renminbi had provided the
basis for Australia's prosperity said Mr Rudd, or Rudd Xiansheng as he likes to be known, despite
the debate over whether a modern nation should really have a Communist mass murderer on its
banknotes. Rudd Xiansheng claims to be interested in environment issues, but the rump
conservatives grouped round the Liberals, mainly attracting support in Queensland and Western
Australia (to be relabelled prefectures rather than states in the new Chinese setup) continue to
argue that allowing the population to balloon up to 60 million was beyond the continent's carrying
capacity.

"Aozhou has severed links with its past," Rudd Xiansheng said. "The 20 million Anglos in Australia
have to embrace an Asian future. We are no longer an English-speaking nation: 35 million of us are
ethnic-Chinese, and Mandarin is the language of the future." Rudd Xiansheng outlined plans
allowing companies to discipline recalcitrant Anglos who refused to learn Chinese - apparently
claiming it was too hard or --more darkly--whispering in corners that English ought to be
Australia's official language.

Aozhou's future was clear since the 2012 referendum that abolished the monarchy, said Mr Rudd.
Labour politicians had occupied the presidency since, forming the "natural party of government."
Rudd Xiansheng has refused to quash speculation that the Labour Party will merge with Zhong Gong
in 2028.

Rudd Xiansheng delivered a stern message to the Freemantle rioters who had protested against the
referendum result. The Aozhou Republican Security, the Mandarin-speaking force accused of
brutality towards Anglo Australians, had been authorized to use rubber bullets against the
rioters. Mr Rudd promised that welfare benefits would continue to be available to Anglos who were
not fluent in Mandarin and therefore unable to work in the new Aozhou. Ultimately the refusal to
learn Chinese was prejudice, he said, which would get you nowhere in the PRC's new southern
province.

The Republic of Xin Xilan, like its Asian neighbours Singapore and Aozhou a largely ethnic Chinese
republic, is considering an application to join the PRC. The sticking point seem to be Maori
objection over China's plans to class them as part of the Gaoshanzu.










Josh2007 -

A little bit of fun in my last post!










md1101 -

lol! not bad josh.










imron -



Quote:

A little bit of fun in my last post!

See also here.










roddy -



Quote:


Originally Posted by md1101

So I won't have to move to China for good after all. Praise the heavens


Yeah, everyone here is pretty glad about that too












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andrea28 -

can anyone tell me the address of hao shan gym in wudaokou? i can't find it anywhere and I dont'
have the number! it's supposed to be the cheapest, i checked nirvana and it's 500 a month!! thats'
very expensive and I wanted something cheaper, if anyone knows a cheap gym in wudaokou besides hao
shan please tell me~! thanks!



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victoria.m -

isn't there one on the blcu campus?










andrea28 -

apparently that one is 300 a month and the hao sha gym has everything and is only 150 a month so I
am trying to find it!










redpixel -

There's a gym called Fusion on campus in the stadium (and one in xijiao hotel) but it's expensive.

If you're ok for a short bike ride from Wudaokou there's a gym right at the Dongwangzhuang North
gate (I think) called Saikang... I paid something like 700 for a 6 month card there and the
facilities were good.










juhuacha -

the gym on campus is slightly crap (at least, it was 4 years ago) but it is easily accessible,
which is a huge bonus, especially in the middle of winter. but I'd only recommend it if you're
actually living on the campus.










againstwind -

Saikang(SK) is ok. I have been there in the recent year.












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Chinese Learner -

Hi,

I'm transcribing some pinyin into mandarin to teach myself to write a few basic simplified words,
but I keep coming across a several different versions.

Can some please tell me what is the correct translation of 'shénme'?

Nǐ yào shénme? -> What do you want?

Is it:

你要什么?

or

你要甚么?

Or have I got it completely wrong?

By the way does anyone know of a translation website on the net that translates several words at
the same time into characters rather than a single one word a a go, so that I can input all the
'stock' phrases? Free or otherwise?

Thank you!



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Quote:

By the way does anyone know of a translation website on the net that translates several words at
the same time into characters rather than a single one word a a go

See google translate.










leosmith -



Quote:

What is the best translation of shénme?

I'm torn. Ok, 2 answers.
1. Yes
2. Who's on first?










Lu -

什么 is the completely simplified version, 甚麼 the completely traditional one. Both are
correct, and it seems combinations of simp and trad are also widely used, but am not sure of the
rules for this.










musingpuppy -

Usually 甚 means "what". "你做甚？" means "what are you doing?"










Lu -



Quote:

"你做甚？" means "what are you doing?"

Don't you mean 啥, as in 你做啥? I don't think I've ever seen 甚 used like this.










Bibiy -

two versions have the same meaning .Basically,they have no difference .you can use both,but
"什么" is more often in common life.










musingpuppy -

Lu,

For example: 这样的不孝的儿子养他做甚！










Bibiy -

i think "这样的不孝儿子养他干嘛"is better,because the "做甚"is usually used in
dialect.










文言訓開班 -

I'm of the impression that they're considered different tones: 什 shen2, 甚 shen4. I can't
imagine it makes much difference which is spoken, as I imagine it's a phonetic rule that controls
how the sound comes out: for some speakers, it's the first sometimes, the second others. In
Cantonese, the difference is bigger though: 什 sap6, 甚 zhen3.

Some words take only one of the two: 甚至

They mean the same thing, though, which comes across better in 什 - many. 甚至 means something
like 'even as much as'.












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sthubbar -

Looks like the Great Firewall of China has decided to disallow access to Wikipedia, again. I was
just surfing the site yesterday, and maybe this morning. Now it only seems reachable through a
proxy. This is from Beijing. How about other areas of China?



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It might still be early to say whether it's blocked or just a slow connection speed and therefore
timing out. There are some sites that I know for a fact are not blocked but i have to access via
proxy because they time out unless you use one. At night the problem seems to be worse when there
is a lot more net traffic.

I'm experiencing the same thing. Accessed without a proxy this morning but now I can't. (location:
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dalaowai -

Stopped working in Shanghai yesterday as well.

Nothing agitates me more than getting a page cannot be displayed error due to the friendly
firewall.










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Blocked here again in deepest jiangsu province.










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And in Guangxi










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As danwei points out, they've blocked Wikipedia and unblocked Typepad. This is completely logical,
and a great step forward on the road to a harmonious socialist society.










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i have been tried to visit Wikipedia one year ago, that couldnt work at the time ,and now the same










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The same in Hunan and probably all over China.










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The incompetency of whoever manages mainland access to "banned sites" is really unbelievable.
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cpellp -

My Mom and I found this jade stamp in some boxes my Dad had been storing for a long time, and are
wondering what the characters mean and/or what the stamp may have been used for. Can anyone
provide any assistance with translating? Please let us know, we appreciate any help, please
respond to thread and/or e-mail cpellp@bellsouth.net. THANKS so much.



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skylee -

The photo is upside down. And since it is a stamp, it would be much easier if you would just stamp
it on a piece of paper and let us see the paper instead.

This is what I see -> if you flip the mirror verion of the picture upside down, then I see either
"KUK" or "KJK" on top. It could be an abbreviation or the initials of a name. There are two
characters below. The one on the left is "凱" (pronounced Kai) (the "山" on top left corner
looks like an "E"). I am not sure about the charcter on the right. I guess it is the
transliteration of a name.










JimmySeal -

I believe the character on the right is 拉 (la).

Here is an auto-generated seal script rendering of 凱拉










madizi -

It is written (if I'm not wrong) in 甲骨文 (jia gu wen) script which was used (again if I'm not
wrong) before 2nd cetury BC. This script is often used for stamps that tourists buy (see my stamp
in avatar).

The letters are KJK. Do you guess what they mean? Maybe initials of your fathers name? If this is
so than it would be easier to dechiper characters.










raoming -

it could not be 甲骨文.
may be it mean: 凯拉
oh，i see.it was come from an English name which translate to be 凯拉










cpellp -

I tried to ink the stamp, the ink I have isn't very good, will try to get a better image using
seal wax, but the image that Jimmy Seal generated does seem accurate, except one symbol does seem
to be slanted a bit. Does everyone think then that the characters are a translation of the
initials "KJK", which are the three initials (they aren't too clear in the attached inks stamp
image).

THANKS for everyone's help. I do find the stamp entriging. Does anyone know how these stamps are
used, or were used? Were they perhaps used to seal envelopes?

The "ink" rendering is attached.










Lu -

As you may know, Chinese does not have an alphabet like European languages have, so no characters
can be the rendering of initials. It's more likely that this is a transliteration of your father's
name. And I suppose the initials are his initials?

Such seals, also known as chops, were (and still are sometimes) used the same way a signature is
used in the West: at the bottom of documents or letters, to show who wrote (or painted) a certain
thing, and let others know it was genuine. I have a similar chop for my bank account in Taiwan.
They also make nice exotic souvenirs: get a transliteration of your name in Chinese characters,
and have it carved on a seal. My guess is that is how your father got this seal.










skylee -

Jimmy, what programme is it that does the auto-generation thing?










cpellp -

I would very much like to know what language this signature stamp uses.

Also, one last question, if everyone doesn't mind. If one did assume that the characters do
translate the initials, as someone previously pointed out, it is probably not a direct translation
for letters, one for one.

Would the translation be based on then?
* How the initials sound?
* Or how the name, said completely outloud, sounds?

OR:

perhaps a translation of what the name might mean? And if so, is there a meaning to these
characters?

I am sorry to ask so many questions, I do find these few characters and this little stamp,
intriging. My father was a very quiet person, didn't travel outside the US much, had very few
friends. I suspect he acquired this stamp when he bought or purchased a lot of used cameras, which
he was known to do.










skylee -

The initials sound like "KJK".

The characters are pronounced "Kai La". "Kai" rhymes with "why".

The meaning of the two charcters -

凱 (left) -> http://cdict.giga.net.tw/?q=%B3%CD
拉 (right) -> http://cdict.giga.net.tw/?q=%A9%D4

The two characters are probably used for transliteration, i.e. to convey the pronunciation of a
name.












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I'd like to learn both forms of characters. My priority is on Simplified Chinese, but I'd like to
be able to understand Traditional Chinese as well. My question is, should I focus on Simplified
for now and learn Traditional later, or would it make more sense to learn both forms
simultaneously? Any thoughts or anyone who has experience with this? Thanks in advance.



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Lu -

I wouldn't learn simp first and trad later, I think the other way around is easier.

Perhaps you could concentrate on traditional, and take a quick look at the simplified of the
characters you learn. When you have a certain basis in trad, you can spend some time on simp, I
think leaning simp will be fairly easy by that time.

Good luck!










gato -

One of the most common question asked on this forum.

A search came up with these threads. Have a read and come back if you have any further questions.

http://www. /showth...ht=traditional
Learning Simplified and Traditional Together

http://www. /showth...ht=traditional
Simplified vs. Traditional

http://www. /showth...ht=traditional
Switching from simplified to traditional

http://www. /showth...ht=traditional
Do you prefer traditional or simplified characters?

http://www. /showth...ht=traditional
Traditional & Simplified Characters

http://www. /showth...ht=traditional
Simplified VS Traditional Characters

http://www. /showth...ht=traditional
Simplifed / Traditional










haton -

Hello OneEye,

One aspect of the question is: how important is learning Chinese for you? and how much effort are
you ready to put in?
If you view it as a hobby or a long-term investment to "speak Chinese", without specific needs to
make business in Hong Kong and Taiwan, as is my case, I'd recommend starting with Simplified.

Simplified characters are significantly simpler. And learning Chinese in itself is so difficult
that I'd definitely put learning Traditional characters in second priority.










atitarev -

The majority of adult Westerners have big difficulties in really mastering Chinese characters for
a number of reasons, especially if they do it on their own but classes must also be oriented for
writing characters. Writing Hanzi is a different skill from speaking, typing and even reading in
Chinese, so unless you are passionate about learning to write characters and spend a lot of time
doing it, the progress may be slow. For the same reason, Westerners often choose to learn or start
with the simplified characters, even in Hong Kong, as I recently found out! Nothing will stop you
to familiarise with the traditional or change to the traditional later. I managed to go through 2
volumes of New Practical Chinese Reader (vol. 2 and 3) using both simplified and traditional
versions but for recognition only, I can't boast I mastered both scripts.

I started a simple reader I got from a Taiwanese colleague - the challenge is after a long usage
of simplified characters, pinyin and horizontal to use traditional, zhuyin fuhao (bopomofo) and a
vertical script.

It is possible to learn both but I don't know if you can do it over a long period.










OneEye -

gato,

Thanks for those links, they were interesting. I didn't mean to bother with another similar
question.

I'm not planning on doing any business using Mandarin, but if I did it would probably be in
mainland China. I also plan on traveling in China, but I may go to Hong Kong too. I think I will
go with what seems to be the general consensus (from this and other threads) and learn Simplified
first and then traditional later. That's what I've been doing, but I was just considering adding
Traditional characters to the mix.

And yes, writing is the hard part. It's difficult to make myself sit down to practice writing.
Maybe I'll start writing each character whenever it comes up for review in my SRS program. I can
check myself against the stroke animations in Wenlin or ZDT. Of course, I've said this before, but
I've never made myself do it. We'll see.

Thanks for the help!










haton -

Hello OneEye,

I sympathize with your difficulty in learning and retaining characters!
I wrote myself 2 tools that might help you: a dictionary and a character training game, found at:
http://ehaton.blogspot.com










wushijiao -



Quote:

should I focus on Simplified for now and learn Traditional later

Yes, I think.

I think that once you are to the point that you can read one or the other more or less with few
problems, it isn't to hard to switch to read the other. Rather than worry too much about which
script to learn, I think it is best to learn one really well, then make the switch.

For example, I used to have problems reading stuff in traditional, but after a while it became
easy.

Similarly, I lent a book about the events in Beijing in 1989, in traditional, to one of my
American friends in Shanghai, who primarily learned all his Chinese by himself on the Mainland and
who could read newspapers in simplified with the help of a dictionary. At first he said the
traditional was too hard. But I told him that he only needed a bit of practice. Eventually he said
that it really wasn't as hard as he had first thought, and he even became a big fan of tradtional
characters is the end.

However, I think that if you are in the process of learning characters (say, if you know 1000 or
so) there really isn't much point in learning both systems at the same time. At least from my
point of view, it seems like it would be too confusing.










zozzen -



Quote:

I wouldn't learn simp first and trad later, I think the other way around is easier.

Perhaps you could concentrate on traditional, and take a quick look at the simplified of the
characters you learn. When you have a certain basis in trad, you can spend some time on simp, I
think leaning simp will be fairly easy by that time.

Did you try traditional first and simplified later? In my experience, it takes only a few weeks
and so easy. ( most chinese speakers should have either one experience only, so i just don't know
which way is better)










tanhql -

to some native chinese, it's easy to make the switch. i learnt simplified chinese in school, and
yet i can read taiwanese traditional subtitles without major problems (but writing is out of
question, meaning i can only recognize traditional script, but can only write the simple and most
common ones). but some of my friends cannot even read the simplest of traditional characters, to
my surprise.












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... well almost. Hi guys!! i am starting my degree in Modern & classical Chinese in September, and
would like some advice as to where to start, before I get there. I spent 3 months in Shanghai
earlier this year. so its not all totally new to me, but I have never formally learnt any Mandarin
AT ALL! So where to begin? (I know this is a broad, vague question, that might be difficult to
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Lu -

I'm assuming you're going to take this degree in a university not in China. Does the university
offer the classes of your program at your level, ie complete beginner? If so, don't worry, just
make sure you go with the program, try to never miss class, do your homework, and you should be
fine for quite some time. That's really the best advise I can think of for your situation. If you
are worried, maybe you can call the people of the program and ask what they will expect of you.

The only thing that might be useful to do in advance is buying a good dictionary. For classical
Chinese, I'd recommend the Mathews (big, black and Wade-Giles, but good for wenyan), for modern
Chinese the bilingual Contemporary Chinese Dictionary, or else the Far East Chin-Eng dictionary.
Other people will have other recommendations.

I hope this helps, if you have more specific questions, feel free to post them.










chi_ren -

Thanks so much for your reply!!

Well, I;m going to SOAS (in London) and yes, they teach from scratch, so I know I'll be OK so long
as I put the work in. I've bought two books from the reading list, and I'm going to check out some
dictionaries, including your suggestions. Many thanks!










Lu -

SOAS, oh wow, I'm jealous now... :-) Make sure to check out their library, I heard it's really
great.










chi_ren -

haha, yea i checked it out already, its AMAZING! can't wait!










Ari 桑 -

I agree, a good, highly interactive class is by far the best way to begin. Once you absorb the
basics, things get fun, and you get to start exploring on your own. But a good teacher is where to
start.










lozolo -

u'd better make a friend who from china,begin with talking,then u will know what should study










OneEye -

The most effective thing I've come across in studying the characters is using an SRS program. SRS
stands for Spaced Repetition System and is like flashcards on steroids. This is a better
explanation than I could hope to give.

I've been copying and pasting the most common 3000 characters, their pronunciations, and meanings
into Mnemosyne and the program automatically chooses when to bring each character up again based
on how well I've done on that character in the past. It also automatically makes me learn new
characters at a rate of 20 per day (or whatever I choose to set it to), provided I actually make
myself do so. Very easy to do, and very effective.










madizi -

SOAS. I enyy you. (for others, check this out: http://www.soas.ac.uk/)

It is also useful to write characters on a paper. This way you memorize them better and also learn
how to write them and which parts (radicals or phonetics) are combined together in particular
character.










chi_ren -

Thanks for your answers guys! I'm defintiely gonna check out that SRS thing, never heard of it
before!












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Myriam -



Quote:

I think 倾没 would be better.

Anybody else thinks likewise? I still don't know how to write my sentence. Maybe the use of
"plunging" is a bit awkward, but I can't say "Today I saw a rainbow diving into the ocean" can I?



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chenpv -

Hmm.... how about, 我今天看見一道彩虹傾入大海。I don't think I have ever seen so
large a rainbow that overwhelms, as suggested by 沒, a sea or stretches far into 洋. Anyway,
maybe such big rainbows exist.










Myriam -

I like your suggestion : 倾入 seems better than 倾没 (maybe because 没 has the meaning of
"inundate"?)
我今天看見一道彩虹倾入大海。
It did stretched "far into 洋", it's just a case of finding the right place + some drizzling rain
+ shining sun.










chenpv -



Quote:


Originally Posted by Myriam

maybe because 没 has the meaning of "inundate"?


Yeah, in terms of my limited understandings of both languages.










yingying -

how about：今天我看到一道彩虹延伸到大海。










heifeng -

for a measure word I actually like 一弧彩虹..but I don't know if that would make sense for
that to plunge then...also (since I feel like killing time today) 今天sounds a bit plain to me
since now there is such a huge discussion on how to say plunge...今日，今朝...actually I
dunno...I guess it depends on what time you saw it too...leave it to the native speakers I guess.

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Disclamer:
Hi, I like to complicate matters and throw in my unwanted 2cents. sorry.










semantic nuance -

Hmmm, first of all, I'd like to say the verb '傾' is not closely related to the action--'plunge
into'.
Unless, you meant the rainbow sort of slanted down to the ocean.
Did that rainbow fall all of a sudden into sea? Or, did it gradually submerge into sea?
If it is latter, I will say:我今天看見一道彩虹(漸漸)隱沒於海洋裡.
You may check this link:http://140.111.34.46/cgi-bin/dict/Ge...ueryString=傾

Hope it helps!

Semantic Nuance










roddy -

Fixed the problem Mr Nuance was having and put his post back in order. Server issue, won't happen
again until the next time.










Myriam -



Quote:


Originally Posted by heifeng

for a measure word I actually like 一弧彩虹..but I don't know if that would make sense for
that to plunge then...


Heifeng, the logics of your sentence suggests that the measure word you chose changes the nature
of 彩虹, making it unfit for plunging, not that a rainbow can't and won't ever be able to
"plunge".
Is 弧 a measure word for 彩虹?
Semantic nuance suggested "slant down" towards the ocean but I prefer a word that describes the
action of diving because "slant down" doesn't have the dynamics contained in "dive" or "plunge" :
wow...I feel like I'm being bullied by people who absolutely don't want me to have a rainbow
diving into the ocean!! I don't find math900's comments funny anymore!

Chenpv, I don't need this kind of comment : "Yeah, in terms of my limited understandings of both
languages." I know you don't mean you have a limited understanding of your mother tongue so,
please, if you could refrain from doing that in the future I'd be much obliged to you. too.










h.way -

It should be translated inot
一道彩虹跃然海上












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mattt -

Basically what im looking to do is head to china hopefully in november to do 4 to 12 weeks of
study.

I just am getting a bit overwhelmed when I see all these websites than I hear their scams and all
sorts of other information. So far this is the only thing ive been able to source as credible.

I live in auckland newzealand which is currently in the process of slowly becoming a chinese
colony. So I'm really interested in learning mandarin proficiently to allow myself ot use it in my
audiology practise with patients.

Anyway I really just want general advice on where to look and how to apply. I'd prefer to make a
small excursion the end of this year. But I'm also looking at heading to china to study for a full
year probably next year.

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Xiao Kui -

I've skimmed through some of the Chinese school websites in the past and this one seems practical
and geared towards professionals who are going to be in China for a limited time.
www.1monthchinese.com

I think the owner used to post a lot on this site. Maybe someone who's been there can comment on
whether it's worth it.










ciaocibai -

Hey, NZ represent!

Some of the universities have short term courses which seem to start kind of on a sliding
schedule, like once every four weeks or something like that. I'd recommend having a look around at
a few of them and seeing if you find any you like.

Is there any particular cities in China you'd like to study in, or you just pretty much looking
for a good course?

Anyway, i'm a kiwi as well, living in Wuhan at the moment. If I can help you, just send me a
message.

Good luck!










dstormy1 -

Ni hao,
I've just finished 3 months study at Keats Language School in Kunming. While I had taken Chinese
in the past I had forgotten most of what I had learned...at least I couldn't remember how to use
it.

At Keats I had 1:1 instruction. My teacher was a qualified and experienced Chinese teacher (Yunnan
Normal Univ grad). By the end of the 3 months I have been able to "flow" into conversations with
Chinese...like on the plane back home. While no one can become fluent in 3 months I can least get
beyond the basics and engage in actual conversations.

Many schools, especially Universities, want to only teach the proscribed curriculum of reading and
writing. Keats is a private school and much more flexible. Other private schools may also be as
flexible.

You DO need to decide if you want to learn all the Chinese language skills or just conversation
(speaking and listening). And, do you want to study in the summer or in a regular school semester
in fall or spring (this is important because most schools in China do not have summer classes for
"independent learners" just contracted programs with American and other foreign universities)?
And, do you want 1 on 1 classes or group classes (1:1 is a little more expensive but you progress
much much faster)? Last, I suggest you pick an area of the country you want to spend your time in.

I have had problems at schools in Yantai (Shangdong Prov) and at Yunnan University for summer
classes. That's why I chose Keats for summer study. I know personally Keats does no "scams" and
all the feedback I've heard about ECLAC in Kunming has also been favorable. ILI in Qingdao and TLI
in Dalian (and other locations) have had consistantly favorable reviews in this forum.

If you read the postings for this forum for the past few months you can learn a lot about other
schools as well. When you narrow down your choices you can send msgs to any of the other posters
who have studied at the school or in the area you are considering.

If you still are "boggled" in the mind over making a choice...then just go to Keats. Kunming is
also a great city to live in, study in, have fun in, etc. NOTE: I am not now nor have I ever been
employed by Keats! This is my own personal endorsement based soley on my experiences and those of
other students I've talked to.

Good luck,
Stormy










mattt -

For me getting to a high level of over all language is important not just conversational. This is
a large project linked to serious future business and life choices.

I've already through friends and various tutors learnt to read / write and comprehend literature
but obviously the speaking will never develop properly without immersion (although auckland is
slowly becoming beijing ;) )

I am looking at doing a stint over November or December start dates to around febuary that
is why I was looking at blcu's course as it had a 4 week period.

The key thing for me is to try and keep the costs of the excursion below 5 to 6000 and this is
just a temporary arrangement until I plan to study for 2 years in 2010.

Any further advice would be greatly appreciated!










shanghaikai -

University programs are usually the safest bet with regards to potential scams. Private businesses
(programs, language centers, etc.) are a lot more dicey...which I gather you've already figured
out and are wisely doing your research.

That said, if you'll be coming over to study for a longer period of time (in the future), you may
want to consider a university program supplemented with plenty of immersion and interaction with
native speakers. Perhaps throw in 1 on 1 tutoring for that too. Tutors are much easier to
evaluate, try, pay as you go, and fire than private language programs where they may force you to
sign on for a commitment with money down and sometimes the runaround if you feel you're not
getting what you expected.

However, for a shorter period of time, as you're hinting at for the end of this year, your
university options are limited. Hopefully, other readers will give you some good recommendations.
I like that university programs are fairly broad in what they teach you, but if you're dead set on
being very focused on what you want to learn language-wise, then usually only the private
businesses will be able to tailor to your needs.

Good luck and bring me some sheep!












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yonitabonita -

It's possible that China Pop might be outdated, but then again, if you're interested in taking a
look at the historical development angle, it could be of use. I was interested in seeing the
historical development of sexual attitudes from Mao to current day China, so all books on the
topic were of interest to me regardless of dates.

Looking at advertising, magazine covers, billboards, TV ads would be an obvious way to go. If your
Chinese is up to it, a discourse analysis of Chinese Cosmo or other women's magazines would tell
you a whole lot about sex and sexuality in contemporary China. How do they describe the 'it' girl.
The consistent reference to 'sexiness' being the aim of womanhood suggests a whole lot too. Ditto
with men's magazines.

The topic : "Sex and Relations in China" strikes me as seriously broad and one that you could
write several PhDs about. What do you mean by 'sex', and 'relations', and 'China'? I don't mean to
sound like a Pol Sci 101 ass, but I think that you need to narrow these terms before you can get
something useful.

Just some thoughts.

Y



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jonaspony -

yeah... yonitabonita is right, a little definition of the topic would be handy.

Do you want to talk about the media's representation of the subject or the actual siuation? You
seem to be looking to rural China, so the media doesn't represent that reality. As far as the
relationship between sex and marriage goes, there was a large study by Higgins et al, Sex Roles,
Vol. 46, Nos. 3/4, February 2002, comparing UK and Chinese students' opinions. If you can't get a
copy I could email you one.


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Qiuyue -

Thanks again folks!

Of course its a topic broad for enough for a dissertation. So are all topics. And some are even
too broad
The seminar will not be so academic, however. And it will be an opportunity for foreigners in
China to reflect on their own experiences in this matter.










madizi -

For a history of sex, see 'Sexual Life in Ancient China' by R. H. van Gulik. I think that although
it was written in 60s, you can still find some useful info for your topic. At least for
"Introduction" section of your seminar.










Justin Goldberg -

I think some Americans probably feel enlightened by the more open, less puritanical attitudes
about sexuality in Asia, eg. that sex is natural and enjoyable and a basic part of life and
health*; on the other hand there's also widespread restlessness and jumping from partner to
partner and a rebellion against the marriage for life ideal.

* is that right?










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Quote:

I think some Americans probably feel enlightened by the more open, less puritanical attitudes
about sexuality in Asia, eg. that sex is natural and enjoyable and a basic part of life and
health*;

* is that right?

No, you are thinking of Holland.










jonaspony -

Quote:
I think some Americans probably feel enlightened by the more open, less puritanical attitudes
about sexuality in Asia, eg. that sex is natural and enjoyable and a basic part of life and
health*; - (can someone tell me how to make a quote box?)

Yes, yes, and but.... Are the two so mutually exclusive? If you study sexuality in China you will
find apparent contradictions. On a hutong wall in Beijing you might see a hand painted poster
encouraging women to assist in the husband's sexual health by regularly exercising the organ. The
Chinese are not necessarily 'puritanical' - after all, the word refers to the puritan forefathers
of the USA (and their friends in England). Certainly, they have been marriage centred, but because
of different causal factors.

If anything, the Chinese are more calculating about sexuality, more matter of fact in many ways.
Much of that is driven by sustained poverty. The means by which family wealth is divided, and
therefore dissipated, must be carefully controlled to avert disaster.

And, I find, Chinese women, particularly, are aware of the health benefits of intimacy - and that
this is in no way exclusively linked to sex. Same-sex friendships and provide a good deal of
intimacy. And, if you can imagine this or simply accept it, some of that intimacy is on a really
very deep, creative and sensual non-sexual basis. (Are you wondering what I mean and how I know?)

Personally, I think that the Chinese view of sex is, by and large, more complex, more reasonable
(in terms of its being 'part of life and health'), more economically sound, and more viable in
terms of the continuation of a cohesive society. The enormous underclass of prostitutes which has
emerged illustrates both the flexibility of the Chinese mind regarding sex and, unfortunately, the
sad fact that sex is not always good for the health. Real bummer way to finish... but there you go.










gato -



Quote:

And, if you can imagine this or simply accept it, some of that intimacy is on a really very deep,
creative and sensual non-sexual basis. (Are you wondering what I mean and how I know?)

I think Bill Clinton knows.










madizi -

Yea, jonaspony, I agree. It seems that only European culture had (and still has) problems with
sex. But this is because of its history after the fall of Roman Empire.












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bigfish -

same as the title

thanks!



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gougou -

Posts of new members are moderated. Thus, there are two possibilities why you can't see your posts:

a) The admins didn't have time yet to validate your post. If you wait a bit, they should show up.
b) Your post was not approved. That should only happen if it is spam or similar useless posts, so
in your case (unless you were posting spam ) I am not sure whether that is the problem.

Try again, and we will see whether it works this time!










ZFS-China -

How long does it take for posts to show up? When am I not considered a new member?

Best,
ZFS










gougou -

That depends on two things:

a) the quality of your posts and
b) the alertness of the admins.

For most posters, a) is not a problem. b) I will left uncommented...

PS: You're good to go.










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gougou -

limaygolf, and also Raye, it would help if you could explain to people what's so good about the
magazines you recommend. For an example, have a look at wushijiao's post above!



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skylee -

I've come across this staff magazine "Word Power / 文訊" which I find interesting. It is
published by the HK government department responsible for languages/translation and covers
different topics mainly on the use of the Chinese language. Being a staff magazine it is fairly
easy to read. But as you can expect, it is in traditional Chinese. There are also a few columns
written in English in each issue.

The electronic versions of the magazine can be found here ->
http://www.csb.gov.hk/english/publication/2006.html

My recommendation obviously does not meet the Admin's requirement in #11, but I hate it when
people tell me what / how to write.










gougou -



Quote:

My recommendation obviously does not meet the Admin's requirement in #11

Actually I think you're recommendation is great! You describe what's in the magazine, and I'm able
to decide whether I'm interested in a matter of seconds.

I am sure that the magazines that Raye and limaygolf suggest are great, too, but by just reading
their posts, I couldn't judge whether those magazines might be interesting for me or not (even
though I can take somewhat of a guess what 中国国家地理 might be about... )












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