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trien27 -

I also read somewhere that the descendants of Ching royalty had to use 4 different Chinese
characters for the surname Aisin AKA Aisin-Gioro, so that they won't be all killed off by enemies.
Some people still use Aisin-Gioro.

Also, I read in a Chinese article that the 32nd generation after emperor Qianlong is an actress in
China using Aisin-Gioro as the surname. Forgot the first character of her given name, but the last
character is xing, meaning "star" as in "Twinkle, Twinkle little star..."



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trien27 -

The princess who got her arm cut off wasn't a Han dynasty(206BC - AD23) princess, but rather a
Ming dynasty princess, her father was the last emperor Song-jing of the Ming dynasty(1368-1644),
meaning he died before the Ching/Manchurians came into power in 1644. Emperor Song-jing knowing
that he's losing power, poisoned his whole family, so that all the women won't have to suffer
being raped after his death. He committed suicide under a tree. But the one that got away was
Princess Chang-ping(meaning "forever peaceful"), nicknamed the "Miraculous Single-Armed Nun" by
the people, because she only had only one arm after the Emperor chopped it off using a sword. Some
say she ran off to become a nun. Some say she didn't become a nun, but rather a commoner.

Emperor Song-jing's given name is Zhu Youjian.
Zhu (surname) = Cinnabar.










Peng -

Are you talking about Chinese Princess Aixinjueluo Beiyi (愛新覺羅貝怡), the model in Hong
Kong? She's not Chinese/Qing/Manchu princess, she's actually a Japanese model. Her real name is
Nakagoshi Noriko (中越典子).

It's kinda hilarious seeing Chinese nationalists praised the fake Chinese princess and compared
her to the Japanese ex-princess Sayako Kuroda, saying Kuroda is ugly and Beiyi is hottie!










royba -

Pu Yi only had one brother, Pu Jie. He was one year younger than Pu Yi, the last Emperor of China.

Pu Jie died on Monday, February 28, 1994, in Beijing. He was 87.

The official New China News Agency (Xinhua), announcing the death in a two-paragraph report, said
only that he had succumbed to illness. An official at the Chinese People's Political Consultative
Conference, an advisory group, said the main cause was prostate cancer.


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cdn_in_bj -



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Pu Yi only had one brother, Pu Jie. He was one year younger than Pu Yi, the last Emperor of China.

Have you heard of another brother named Pu Ren? He actually had several brothers and sisters,
though apparently some of these were half-siblings.

The lady mentioned on this website claims to be Pu Ren's niece:

http://www.stavonhagen.org/

And some photos here (can be reached from the site above, so I don't think they intended to keep
it too private):

http://www.stavonhagen.net/photos.htm

Ones of particular interest:

http://www.stavonhagen.net/marypujie.jpg
http://www.stavonhagen.net/marypuren002.jpg
http://www.stavonhagen.net/puren%20and%20kids.jpg

An article which talks about Pu Jie's death in 1994:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...50C0A962958260

An article about Pu Ren written from 2006:
http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/20...11_331143.html

On Wikipedia, information about both brothers can be found:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pujie
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jin_Youzhi

Their father, Zaifeng, 2nd Prince Chun, had 5 sons and 7 daughters:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaifeng%2C_2nd_Prince_Chun

Though wikipedia doesn't exactly state it, after piecing together some facts, it seems that Pu Ren
is the half-brother of Pujie and Pu Yi.

A more complete picture of the genealogy can be found here (search for "P'u-yi" on the page):

http://www.4dw.net/royalark/China/manchu13.htm

Interesting stuff!










floatingmoon -

Both Ming royalty and Qing royalty are royalty. It's part of the history.
China belongs to everyone in China.










royba -

Thank you cdn_in_bj

It seems I was wrong, and I am grateful to you for the correction.

I have now found out that Prince Chun had five sons and seven daughters: The five sons were:
Pu Yi who became Emperor of China (deceased)
Pu Jie (deceased)
Pu Ju (He died at the age of one year.)
Pu Ju, died in Shanghai on 25th September 1918.
Pu Ren, who was still alive in 2006, and is believed to be still alive today at the age of 89. He
had three sons and two daughters.

In 2006, a representative from Imperial Tours published an interview with Pu Ren in a newsletter
(and offers one-on-one interviews with him to selected, paying, participants in their tours.) See:
http://www.imperialtours.net/newsletters072006.htm.

It seems that Pu Ren, then at the ripe age of 88 was so deaf the interviewer had to write down his
questions.

Imperial Tours is based in San Francisco, USA, and was founded by Guy Rubin, a British Citizen
claiming to have graduated from Cambridge University, England, and Nancy Kim, who grew up in the
States (it is not known where she was born) She claims to have an art history degree from the
University of Pennsylvania, as well as the universities of London, Seoul and Beijing.

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zozzen -



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Good to know that some of them have changed the name to 金. I was wondering if they had it
changed ... 金 is a very logical and convenient name ...

But 金 is regarded as an insulting surname for some descendants of Aisin-Gioro, because it was
Yuan Shikai who asked them to change to this surname. As far as i remember, 趙, 愛 are also
adapted as their chinese surname today.










Quest -

This is another account of 长平公主:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_wZ2R2YX5Ck

wiki 《帝女花》
崇禎末年，明思宗長女長平公主因奉帝命而在乾清宮前連理樹下選駙馬，最�
��選擇下嫁太僕之子周世顯。（樹盟）　當時闖王李自成攻入北京宮殿；崇��
�因此手刃眾皇女後，自縊於媒山。（香劫）　長平公主雖被明思宗所砍殺，
卻未至氣絕，被周鍾拯救送回家中。（乞屍）　後來，清軍入關並滅了闖軍�
��遷都北京。周鍾想向清朝投降，意圖獻出長平公主。長平公主得到周鍾之��
�瑞蘭及老尼姑的相助，裝死避居維摩庵中。世顯偶然經過維摩庵，遇上扮作
女尼的長平公主。經過幾番試探後，長平公主才與周世顯相認，並相約於是�
��在紫玉山房會面。（庵遇、相認）　此事為清朝皇帝知道了，迫使周世顯��
�長平公主一同返宮。（迎鳳）　夫妻二人為求清帝善葬皇父，釋放皇弟，遂
佯裝返宮，並在乾清宮前連理樹下重相交拜，然後雙雙服毒自殺殉國。










fireball9261 -

The princess in this thread was Princess Changping of Ming dynasty. Please see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Changping Btw, the written biography of her after her death
was probably a partial Qing propaganga document and couldn't be fully trusted for her later life
under Qing's rule.

It was said that her father told her, as he was chopping down with his sword, "Never, ever born
into a royal family again in all of your future reincarnations!"
(願汝生生世世莫生於帝王家!) There was also document said, "Why did you born into our
family?") After chopping off her arm (her father missed because he couldn't look at her at the
last minute), he threw away his sword and left her to die -- I think he couldn't bear to chop at
her the 2nd time.

She lived, and probably some ladies in waiting or eunuch took her to her fiance's home. Her
fiance's family turned her over to the new Qing rulers for favors. The Qing rulers decided to use
her as a political tool to show other Ming royalties that they could trust Qing rulers and
surrender. Also, Qing rulers could show other Han Chinese that they were friends to the Ming
dynasty and not enemies. Therefore, they treated her pretty well. She asked to become a nun, but
the Qing rulers ordered her fiance to marry her. I don't think her fiance was willing to marry a
Princess from an overthrown dynasty. I remember reading from somewhere that her husband treated
her badly. He had several other concubines and many female slaves, and he flaunted them in front
of her. She died fairly soon after her marriage (like within one or two years).












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